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標題 [新聞] 仇恨的盛宴──1130反同性婚姻遊行紀實
時間 Mon Dec  2 06:25:21 2013


此為一老外記者報導台灣反多元成家法案報導(如有OP請告知)

http://globalnewscllee.blogspot.tw/2013/12/1130.html

[報導] 仇恨的盛宴──1130反同性婚姻遊行紀實
文/寇謐將(J. Michael Cole)
譯/李鐘林


反對同性婚姻的人走上街頭,又一次說明了盲目與偏狹、謊言與仇恨才是他們信仰的根基


經過數週的籌備,反對同性婚姻的團體今天 (11/30)包車到台北集結,抗議政府有意修
法,通過同性婚姻合法化。他們先前祭出的論述都是老掉牙,不出我所料,此次也聽到了
不少偏見。但這倒也顯現出他們最真實的聲音,顯示出他們的觀念有多麼偏狹。




反同性婚姻的抗議民眾集結在凱達格蘭大道
主辦單位統計,這次活動人數約有三十五萬人(可能沒那麼多),他們站出來反對增修民
法972條,拒絕同性婚姻合法化。此次活動單位選擇粉紅作為主色調,遊行隊伍中四處可
見各種海報,上面寫著「爸媽製造」或是「孩子需要爸爸媽媽」等等標語(可我有一個爸
爸三個媽媽,他們都疼我,這又該怎麼說呢,小姐?),顯然主辦單位沒有發現紅色曾經
被德國納粹拿來做為同性戀者的標記,也就是惡名昭彰的「粉紅三角形」(根據美國大屠
殺紀念館資料,蓋世太保於一九三三年至一九四五年間共逮捕十萬男同性戀,當中約有五
萬人被送進了大牢,另外有五千人至一萬五千人被送進集中營)。遊行隊伍中更有示威者
直接穿著整套納粹軍服,「大家不喜歡也沒關係!」他說。「我會反擊!」為了要對納粹
以示公平,我得說,今天上街遊行抗議的仇恨者,較像是納粹和3K黨(註)的混合體才對



當然並不是來參加抗議遊行的人都是納粹分子,不過多數的參加民眾都是基督徒,就算主
辦單位呼籲參與民眾避免秀出他們教徒的記號,但這次活動選用的歌曲卻透露了一點端倪




示威者妨礙其他民眾行動自由
有趣的是,在臺灣從事報導工作這七年多來,第一次有民眾跑來告訴我不可以拍照。這次
的活動場地設在凱達格蘭大道,我才正要走過去時,就有人跟我說:「這裡是封鎖區」。
直到我表明了記者身分,Ketty也說她是來台考察社會運動的學者後,他們才肯放行讓我
們進去。其中還有戴著紅色臂章的「糾察隊」,人數不下百位,不斷監視附近走動的人群
。這樣的場景次曾相似,上回我想要訪問抗議者的時候,公民1985行動聯盟的工作人員也
讓我緊張兮兮,可是這次的方式卻十分挑釁。若有人想要靠近,他們會先問對方「支持」
或「反對」同性婚姻,如果回答支持的人便不許進入。什麼對話啊…




遭群眾圍困的年輕同志
公民的權利和責任也首度僭越了執法人員。到場抗議的團體,手牽著手始終圍住會場,並
阻擋舉著支持同性婚姻標語的群眾入內(見影片1、影片2、影片3),就連在苗栗苑里風
力發電廠預定地,那些被德國英華威雇來抗議、嚼著檳榔的流氓都沒這麼壞。他們甚至不
斷阻擋我隨意走動,讓我不得不與他們發生衝撞,屢次問他們究竟有什麼權利阻擋我在公
共場所自由行動,卻都沒有人回答我。



就在反同性婚姻的團體包圍「同光教會」(支持同性戀的教會)的時候,有位小姐因為
Ketty講英文而大聲喝斥。她說:「在中國就要說中文啊!」不用說,這種莫名其妙的語
言歧視是激怒不了Ketty的,但說到中國,這下可就把她給惹毛了。




用禱告來「醫治」年輕的男同志?
隊伍裡有兩個男人追捕一個年輕人,結果年輕人跌坐在地上,他們一度把年輕人圍住,我
蹲在他旁邊,趕緊拿出相機拍下這一幕,一旁還有不少手中拿著粉紅色看板和旗幟的抗議
群眾上前圍觀。他們靠他非常近,幾乎就要抓住他了,結果這可憐的年輕人差點給悶死了
。我抬起頭來,看見一群好像是從東南亞來的女性正在大聲禱告,同時將手臂伸向年輕人
。我走過去問她們在做什麼。其中一名婦人說:「我們在禱告。」我接著又問:「所以你
們打算禱告治好他嗎?」我了解很多有宗教信仰的人始終認為同性戀是可以醫治的疾病。
「問這個做什麼?」其中一位這樣回答,還明顯帶著輕蔑的語氣。我表明自己是記者,十
分好奇為什麼在禱告時要伸手指著那位年輕人。她回答:「就只是禱告而已。」這些舉動
在在表明了這個少年的問題、他的存在是不受歡迎的,但是我心中已經有了答案:她們確
實打算「治癒」他。



這群人口中說他們了解什麼是愛,但今天這場行動卻完全出於仇恨與歧視。現在我總算證
實了很久的疑慮了,所謂到場抗議的聯盟來自不同背景是假的,大多數的人都有宗教信仰
,因為教會要求才來響應,他們多半遵從主流教派,如同羊群跟著牧羊人,卻不曉得這根
本就無異於盲從。作為個體,他們是軟弱的,但團結起來卻可以將自己的信念強加在別人
身上,這種行徑根本違背了他們的經典的教導。一遇到事實挑戰,馬上就黔驢技窮,逃之
夭夭。




以愛奮戰
像是要請他們解釋為什麼允許同性戀結婚會導致人獸交,為什麼阻止同性伴侶聯姻,所有
的問題就能迎刃而解(他們認為同性戀終究會消失),結果他們卻不知怎麼答腔,往往只
是帶著高傲的神情,再謙卑告訴你這都是上帝說的如此云云。講到最後,會發現其思想有
多虛偽和空洞。(用人獸交作為類比更是離譜。這種「去人性化」的推論好像說所有的歧
視都是巧合。好像另一半不是異性就是次一等的人,一旦容許這個假設,下一步就說可能
容許和動物交配了。)



啊,其中還有仇視外國人的,有塊很大的看板就把同性戀歸咎給外國人。


不少來抗議的人是被拉來的孩子,他們一點也不了解這項議題,有的還蹲在地上寫作業。
其中有名媽媽強拉著小女孩參加,顯然小女孩一點也不想來。約有一個半小時的時間,同
志們都會看到她手中的粉紅色看板。主辦單位希望人越多越好,現場果然看到黑壓壓的人
群,只是從大環境來看,這樣的數字說明不了什麼,今天即便有不少人到場反對同性婚姻
,但他們依舊是少數。台灣是佛教為主國家,天主教徒約有五十萬人,就算每個教徒都到
場抗議同性婚姻合法(要注意,並不是每個信徒都恐同,但有不少恐同的人都是教徒),
也只占了台灣總人口兩千三百萬的四十六分之一,可是站出來支持同性婚姻的人更少,還
沒現身的支持者也不多,兩者相加,對這些人而言並無法構成氣候,對他們而言,少數人
的權利也不干己事。不過上月舉辦的同志大遊行吸引了大約六萬五千人響應,確實提倡同
性伴侶結婚的權利。




只是,數以千計的示威群眾就站在面前,讓我不禁在想,少數勇敢的同志舉著牌子站在外
交部外,距離遊行隊伍只有幾步之遙,心中有什麼樣的感受。換做是我,想到這麼多人站
出來,滿懷仇恨來否定我的存在、痛恨我與生俱來的特質,我不知道會有多心痛,怪不得
有些同志當場掉下了眼淚。



我走在遊行隊伍中,想起過去十八個月來觀察過的各種抗議、我所經歷過的各種苦楚。當
時這些人在哪裡?這群人理應滿懷宗教情操、慈悲為懷才對,但當政府拆毀人民溫暖的家
園時,他們在哪裡?當人們失去生活的希望時,他們又在哪裡?為什麼這群人的臉孔對我
來說如此陌生?(而唯一熟悉的臉孔是站在一旁為正義而奮鬥的朋友)



這個社會還有很多問題尚待解決,還有很多不公不義需要平反,可是,今天讓人們站出來
的唯一動力,竟然是要否定其他人組成家庭的基本權利。


最新消息:律師團已經介入,受害者將提起誹謗、違反拘禁、與侵犯人身自由等民事告訴
,另外也不排除提出刑事告訴。


英文版:

A feast of hatred (updated with video links + 中文 links)

Once again, opponents of same-sex marriage demonstrated that bigotry and
intolerance, lies and hatred, are the foundations of their beliefs

After several weeks of buildup, the groups who oppose same sex-marriage in
Taiwan descended by the busload on Taipei today for a large protest as the
government mulls legal revisions that would make same-sex unions possible.
Based on the language that had been used to date, I expected bigotry — and
they certainly delivered. In fact, in terms of the magnitude of their
intolerance, they showed their true colors.


Opponents of same-sex marriage gather on Ketagalan
According to the organizers, as many as 350,000 people (though probably less)
turned up for the event, which was intended as a means to pressure the
legislature not to amend Article 972 of the Civil Code, which would open the
door to same-sex marriage. Pink was the color theme for the event. There was
a variety of placards, many reading “Made in Mommy and Daddy” or “All Kids
Need Daddy and Mommy,” among others (I have one dad and three moms, and they
all love me; how about that, lady?). Apparently the organizers failed to
realize that pink was the very color used by the Nazis — the infamous “pink
triangle” — to identify homosexuals. (According to the Holocaust
Encyclopedia, the Gestapo arrested as many as 100,000 men as homosexuals
between 1933 and 1945. About 50,000 men were sent to regular prison, while
between 5,000 and 15,000 were interned in concentration camps.) One of the
protesters even turned up wearing a complete Nazi uniform. “I don’t care if
people don’t like it,” he said. “I will fight back.” To be fair to the
Nazis (I can’t believe I’m saying this!), I would say that many of the
haters who came out today were more a mix of Nazis and the KKK.

Not all the protesters who participated at the event were Nazis, of course,
but a great many of them were Christians. Even though organizers had called
upon their followers to avoid showing any sign that would identity them as
members of the Church, the choice of songs left little doubt about their
affiliations.


Blocking efforts
Interestingly, in my more than seven years working as a journalist in Taiwan,
this was the first time that civilians approached me and told me I was not
allowed to take pictures. The site of the protest on Ketagalan Boulevard,
they told us as we approached, was a “closed area.” Only after I insisted
that I was a journalist, and Ketty told them she was an academic here to
study social movements in Taiwan, were we allowed to enter the site. All “
security” staff wore special red armbands. There were several hundreds of
them, and they kept close tabs on whoever walked around, in a manner that was
reminiscent of, but that surpassed in its aggressiveness, the staff of
Citizen 1985 who got on my nerves when I tried to cover their protests.
Sometimes they would ask people who approached whether they were “for” or “
against” same-sex marriage. Those who answered that they were for were
barred access. So much for dialogue...


Surrounded by intolerance
This was also one of the rare times when civilians arrogated upon themselves
rights and duties that are normally the remit of law-enforcement officers.
Groups of protesters repeatedly locked arms, encircled, and blocked people
who carried placards supporting gay marriage (see videos here and here and
here). Not even the betel nut-chewing thugs hired by the German wind power
firm InfraVest to protest their sites in Yuanli, Miaoli County, were this
bad. On many occasions, they also prevented me from walking around freely and
left me little choice but to collide with them. More than once I asked what
right they had to prevent people from moving freely in a public space. I
never received an answer.

As the anti-same-sex marriage group formed a tightening circle around members
of the United Church (which tolerates homosexuality), a woman berated Ketty
for speaking English. “We’re in China, and we speak Chinese here,” she
said. Needless to say, if the discriminatory and utterly unnecessary remarks
against language weren’t sufficient to anger Ketty, the reference to China
did the trick.


Praying to 'heal' a young gay man?
At one point, two men locked arms around a young man who had fallen to the
ground while they were pursuing him. I got on my knees next to him and
snapped pictures, as several dozens of protesters with their pink placards
and banners looked on. They nearly suffocated the poor thing, so closely were
they holding him. I looked up and saw a group of Southeast Asian women
praying out loud, their arms extended towards the young man. I went over and
asked them what they were doing. “We are praying,” one of them said. This
much I could tell. “Are you praying so that you will heal him?” I asked,
echoing a belief, held by many religious people, that somehow homosexuality
is a disease that can be healed. “Why are you asking?” one of them replied
with palpable contempt. I told them I was a journalist and that I was curious
as to why they were extending their arms in his direction while praying. “We
’re just praying,” she said, whereupon they made it clear that his
questions — his presence, in fact — were unwelcome. I had my answer: they
were indeed trying to “heal” him.

For people who claim to know about love, the mobilization today was one of
pure hatred and discrimination. Group dynamics were evidently at play and
confirmed what I have long suspected, that a large number of those who turn
to religion do so out of a need to follow, to be told how to think. Many of
them are perfectly suited to meet the needs of the authoritarian Church and
follow it like sheep, even if this leads them down the road of bigotry.
Individually they are cowards, but as a group, they impose their beliefs on
others in a way that contradicts what the Book tells them. Challenged with
fact, they quickly run out of ideas and run away.


Fighting back with love
For example, ask them to explain how allowing same-sex marriage would lead to
bestiality, or how preventing gay unions would eventually solve the problem
(homosexuals would disappear over time), and they don’t have a clue how to
respond. They’ll have that inevitable smug look on their face, and they will
condescend, tell you that they are enlightened by their religion, et cetera.
But in the end, their minds are hollow. (The repeated references to
bestiality are especially worrying, as this points to a process of
dehumanization, whereby the “other” isn’t exactly human and is therefore
fair game for all kinds of discriminations. Somehow if one’s partner is of
the same sex, he or she is less than human; once we allow that, the next step
is presumably having intercourse with animals.)

Oh, and there was xenophobia, too. A huge sign blamed homosexuality on
foreigners.

Many of the protesters were children and hired helps who obviously didn’t
have a clue about the issue. Some children were doing their homework on the
ground. One mother firmly held up the arm of her little girl, who obviously
didn’t want to be there, for half an hour so that the homosexuals and their
supporters who faced them could see the pink placard she was holding.
Organizers wanted a large turnout, and they got one. Still, numbers alone don
’t mean much unless they are put in a context. There were far, far more
people today who expressed their opposition to same-sex marriage, but in the
end, they remain the minority. Taiwan, a predominantly Buddhist country, has
about 500,000 Catholics. Even if every single one of them opposed same-sex
marriage and showed up at the protest (not all religious persons are
homophobic, but most homophobes happen to be religious), they would still
only constitute 1/46th of the total population of about 23 million. That a
relatively much smaller number of people turned up to support gay marriage,
or didn’t show up altogether, is a sign that for them, this is a non issue
and none of their business. We should also add that the LGBT Pride parade
held last month, which attracted approximately 65,000 people, had already
advocated for the marriage rights of same-sex couples.


The face of pain
Still, as the several thousands of people poured onto the scene, I could not
help but try to imagine what it must feel like to be one of the small number
of courageous homosexuals who were holding their placards a few meters away,
near the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. I would be devastated at the idea that
so many people would come out, with hatred in their hearts, to deny my very
existence, to resent me for something I was born with. No wonder some of them
shed tears.

As I mingled with the crowd, I thought about all the other protests I had
been to in the past 18 months, all the suffering that I had experienced.
Where were those people — people with supposed religious ideals, a
conscience, love, compassion — when the government was demolishing the homes
of vulnerable individuals? When people who had lost all hope were ending
their lives? None of them were familiar faces (the only familiar faces today
were on the side of the angels).

There are so many problems in society, so much injustice that need remedying.
And yet, the only cause that prompted those people to mobilize today was one
that seeks to deny other people the right to form a family.

UPDATE: Lawyers have gotten involved, and the victims are planning to file
civil lawsuits for slander, false imprisonment, and infringement on personal
freedom. They are also considering criminal charges. (All photos by the
author)

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lhsieh:未必是仇恨,面對與認知不同的恐懼多一些1F 12/02 06:28
lwowl:台灣之恥2F 12/02 06:30
a1122334424:嘖嘖3F 12/02 06:30
chuegou:納粹那段不放照片...只用敘述是有什麼考量嗎4F 12/02 06:35
chuegou:然後你把他的譯註刪掉了
diefishfish 
diefishfish:全力反對多元成家6F 12/02 06:37
diefishfish:我不希望我未來的小孩 性別觀念混亂錯誤
lwowl:為你未來的小孩感到悲哀8F 12/02 06:41
wahdee:不支持就是仇恨??? 男同想盡辦法抹黑反同者真的很噁心9F 12/02 06:42
BladeFish:這才是台灣史上最恥辱的一天10F 12/02 06:45
arsen1320:不會教不要推給別人11F 12/02 06:45
HornyDragon:自己去看看內文描寫的反對成員嘴臉吧,那不叫仇恨?12F 12/02 06:45
HornyDragon:然後我真的不知道穿納粹軍服的腦袋是裝什麼東西
Sinful:這陣子參加教會主日,的確滿滿的仇視,只是以"愛"做包裝而已14F 12/02 06:48
Sinful:要不是答應幫忙裡面的一個團體,我可一點都不想去那裡,噁心
getting:我反對wahdee可以結婚,也覺得他該被治療,這不是歧視喔^^16F 12/02 06:49
diefishfish 
diefishfish:不支持就是仇恨? 立論過於偏狹 得到社會支持? 做夢?17F 12/02 06:50
a1122334424:那可以好好的論述一下嗎?18F 12/02 06:51
kizajan:轉個方向來看  反同者不也被仇視著嗎 ( ′-`)y-~19F 12/02 06:52
getting:如果我認為diefishfish不能結婚,還認為你概被治療,天生20F 12/02 06:53
wahdee:納粹軍服明顯是男同反串操弄議題 跟特別挑這事來說的人一樣21F 12/02 06:53
lhsieh:同志應沒對他們做過什,所以仇恨怎麼來? 憤怒卻常是恐懼表現22F 12/02 06:54
yameiday:偏激文!反對不等於仇恨23F 12/02 06:54
getting:有缺陷,我想你也會覺得我在仇恨你吧24F 12/02 06:54
lwowl:因為太多反同者的反對理由就是赤裸裸的歧視啊 歧視還怕被嗆?25F 12/02 06:54
NoOneThere:人家寫了多少判斷那是仇恨的理由了, 還在那跳針反對26F 12/02 06:55
yulunyeh:就歧視還不敢承認 有夠可悲27F 12/02 06:55
diefishfish 
diefishfish:有沒有好好反思為什麼會被多元社會歧視的核心原因?28F 12/02 06:55
lwowl:自己歧視別人也不遮掩一下的 還東拉西扯跳針 無言29F 12/02 06:55
wahdee:請估狗『下視丘前葉第三間隙』看看是不是缺陷30F 12/02 06:56
diefishfish 
diefishfish:核心原因不改善 硬要多元社會包容 合理?31F 12/02 06:57
lwowl:反思個屁 一個人再廢再機掰也要尊重他權利 懂?32F 12/02 06:57
xflies:當然是納粹,臺灣人多的是會支持法西斯的(自以為)中產階級33F 12/02 06:57
getting:估且不論"下視丘前葉第三間隙"的真實性,但跟多數人不一樣34F 12/02 07:00
getting:也不代表是"缺陷",何況就算真的是缺陷,跟結不結婚也沒關
getting:係
salem7777:這就是外國人看到的感覺阿37F 12/02 07:03
wahdee:看到反對者就急的亂扣帽子 什麼納粹法西斯的帽子全都來了XD38F 12/02 07:06
keeyah:原文寫的很好啊!那活動真的很奇怪!39F 12/02 07:06
TongYa:亂源40F 12/02 07:08
a1122334424:外國就很喜歡這樣的符號連結啊? 還納粹是他穿的?41F 12/02 07:09
NoOneThere:自己穿納粹裝, 還怪別人叫他納粹XDDD42F 12/02 07:14
ipiscrh:依據某人的論點,有缺陷的人被歧視也只是剛好囉?43F 12/02 07:16
lwowl:居然拿納粹開玩笑 台灣人的人權觀念真的還差的遠...44F 12/02 07:17
ru04ul4:wahdee: 學界沒有定論 你又是哪來的心得?45F 12/02 07:19
jasonbass:反對就要扣帽子真好笑46F 12/02 07:19
bahnhof:47F 12/02 07:20
garnett1118:奇怪?有贊成就有反對 有啥奇怪 出來反對 到成為加害人48F 12/02 07:21
garnett1118:文中說的民主原來是這樣阿 笑死人
wahdee:明顯是男同反串納粹操弄議題跟反同者無關 甲甲卻討論的很嗨50F 12/02 07:23
SuperUp:外國人頭腦真清楚~比台灣人還了解台灣 ^^51F 12/02 07:25
wts4832:就次去遊行的這些 理盲濫情的人害了台灣52F 12/02 07:25
goodlisa123:自己去納粹男的FB看,他是認真的53F 12/02 07:27
a1122334424:那乾脆 糾察隊都是同志反串的好了 不理性通通是反串的54F 12/02 07:27
a1122334424:大家說 好噗好!!!!!
winlaplace:為什麼一定要盲目支持腦殘的多元家庭才叫不是害台灣?56F 12/02 07:28
winlaplace:同志結婚就結婚阿,但領養小孩爭議這麼大...
relexman:這下倒好 丟臉丟到國外去了58F 12/02 07:28
a1122334424:領養小孩 現在也可以申請 要反對請自行推法案 謝謝59F 12/02 07:29
winlaplace:況且還有什麼搞不清楚在說啥鬼的伴侶制度...支持這東西60F 12/02 07:29
winlaplace:才是害台灣吧
a1122334424:? 這次遊行主要是反對同性婚 是我弄錯了嗎62F 12/02 07:30
wts4832:夏蟲不可語冰 多年後你再來看看現在的自己吧63F 12/02 07:31
xisland:社論非新聞64F 12/02 07:35
SuperUp:描寫邪教那段真是傳神!65F 12/02 07:36
ericlien0206:我不是基督徒 我反對66F 12/02 07:37
wts4832:我反對基督教 讓人不拿香不拜祖先 根本是亂源67F 12/02 07:39
wahdee:夏蟲不可語冰 肺結核也曾經是絕症 醫學不停進步68F 12/02 07:39
wahdee:請不要放棄治療
joujima:為啥非得支持你們?70F 12/02 07:43
joeyer:我就是賭爛同志好像不支持多元成家  就是在迫害他們一樣71F 12/02 07:45
leosirius:法案內容是可以研議,但不允許就是剝奪他們權力72F 12/02 07:50
leosirius:與迫害無別
yiyis800111:不管哪一方都出自於愛吧!還是希望大家都能擁抱微笑,74F 12/02 07:51
leosirius:以前教官說穿制服是便於管理 理平頭是象徵團結blabla..75F 12/02 07:53
leosirius:反對的人總是可以找出各種理由 事實證明開放後有差嗎?
sandpool:出於愛?你說我不能去愛我所愛的人只因我們同性 這出於愛?77F 12/02 07:59
goodlisa123:兩個人相愛是會害了誰?憑什麼治療人家?78F 12/02 07:59
dd0915:推79F 12/02 08:00
lahiboy:我怎麼覺得反而是原作比較偏激80F 12/02 08:09
FaBie:雞督教神父在忙著雞姦小男童  沒空參加遊行81F 12/02 08:15
rogergon:不認同跟仇恨無法畫等號吧?82F 12/02 08:15
EggAcme:看那個嘴臉真的只是不認同? 恨不得生吞活剝的樣子83F 12/02 08:16
bg00004:圍圈圈的那個的確有違反人身自由的疑慮..84F 12/02 08:20
rocoto:推85F 12/02 08:20
bg00004:還有自己穿納粹裝還怪人說納粹...這是哪招啊?86F 12/02 08:21
goetze 
goetze:主辦單位沒發現紅色曾被納粹拿來做為同性戀者的標記又如何?87F 12/02 08:23

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1樓 時間: 2013-12-02 11:16:55 (台灣)
  12-02 11:16 TW
國外的記者報導也這麼主觀,失望……捍衛婚姻制度有何錯?同志到底要的是婚姻還是伴侶?不支持就是恐同?我恐的是伴侶和多元,你們歧視基督徒、恐基督        XD
2樓 時間: 2013-12-02 11:19:24 (台灣)
  12-02 11:19 TW
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